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are not just going to go over the fiscal cliff? we heard tim geithner on this program yesterday when steve asked him, look f you don't get what you want, do we go over the fiscal cliff? he said absolutely. >> he said he would do it! >> what happens when we wake up january nd, we go over the cliff, and the world doesn't end? >> that is so irresponsible. >> you have to be a long-term investor. long-term stocks have outperformed bonds. >> with all do respect, george, are you one of those come play september investors larry is referring to? >> i'd say we're opposite of that. we never take anything for granted, but we bet accordingac. bonds are trouble. a lot of people are going to lose a lot of money in bonds. you have to be prepared for that. interest rates are going to go up. dividends are going to continue to increase. the economy in this country is strong. it's going to get stronger. >> even at 44% dividend tax? >> it's not going to go that high. >> if we go over the fiscal cliff, it does go that high. it goes to 44%. >> no, no. don't think the worst. >> less than a month, it goes there. >
, not looking at 6.5% threshold but the broader conditions, a big debate, steve liesman's nemesis talks a lot about people being beamed to mars in. your mind what is happening to the job market? are we creating jobs? is that why it's coming down, or is it because people -- the degree of discouraged workers? what's your sense of how quickly it's fallen because of new employment? >> so on the first question the chain cpi versus the fixed weight cpi is a technical issue. the change cpi is better for most economists because it allows for changes in the mix of goods and services that people actually consume more effectively. however, whether that's more appropriate for say social security indexing or not, i think that's ultimately a political decision. i suppose the rejoinder would be that neither the cpi nor the change cpi may be particularly a good measure for the cost of living of social security recipients, so those are the kinds of questions that congress is going to have to deal with. second part of your question was -- >> what actually is happening to the debate over the extent to which une
into the new year. today's "closing bell" exchange, gary webbush here with us and steve sax from pro shares advisors and steven gil garcetg and our own jeff cox. no encouraging words out of washington, here we go again, from either the fed or congress. >> right, and frankly that's very expected. there's going to be a -- some grandstanding about your political philosophies right up until the end, but the way i view this is we will not and cannot go over the fiscal cliff. >> you think the can will be kicked down the road. >> well, i think washington learned its lessons from the credit crisis. they are not going to have this go over the cliff, and i think it's going to be a recipe of a small part of cutting spending. a small part of raising taxes and a healthy doze of kicking the gan down the road. >> you would be so sure that these guys cannot do it when in fact here we are 18 days away. steve sax from your standpoint in, terms of etfs and in terms of indexing out there, how do you want to invest given all of these uncertainties as we approach year end? >> i'm in the camp i certainly hope we
forever. joining us now, steve liesman and an economist from ftm financial. steve, is it really as bad as all of that? we're talking about some very anemic numbers. >> the question is, what part is bad? i really disagree with this report in the sense that i don't see how he can possibly know what the growth rate is going to be in 2050. i don't think he knows what the growth rate is going to be next year let alone in 2050. the second thing wrong with this prediction is growth rates are something that are within control of a society or nation. with the policies -- now, i think he's right we're aiming right now for a growth rate that may be unattainable. long-term, a society cannot exactly choose but can adjust this level of growth. third, some of the things that he's most concerned about, for example, global competition, are some of the things that make me optimistic about the future, not pessimistic. >> but lindsay, part of his reasoning is we're adding too much debt to the equation. debt servicing takes up more of our growth at this point. too many band-aids solving problems that need
. carter worth, fundamental, steve cortez, always nice to see you. carter, check it out. tell me about the charts and the technicals. what do the charts tell you, gm versus ford. >> the first chart is a comparative chart, just that, gm versus ford. very clear optically, 75% correlation. the truth is, we like them both. they're both bottoming out, if you will. they're both heretofore weak stocks improving. each has acted very well while the market was selling off in the september-october period. gm, well-defined downtrend. the stock moves above the down trend, breaks above that, if you will, and the pattern is the same for ford. same downtrend over the past year and a half. same move above the downtrend. again, each moving up in september and october. when the market was getting clobbered. very important. >> carter -- >> you like the technicals. steve, jump in. what about the fundamentals. >> i actually shorted gm this morning. both have had a great few weeks, couple of months but it's important to bring perspective. if you look at a long-term chart of ford, you see this stock is tradin
ross and on the fundamental side it's steve cortes with veracruz. rich, look at the charts. which of these do you prefer, or do you prefer them right now. >> well, bill, the case of the biggest loser here, but overwhelmingly i prefer groupon. stock became public a year ago in facebook style. lost 90% of its value in just 12 months. had a nice bounce here. we've taken out the downtrend from the february high and taken out 509-day moving average. you see that key resistance, that key level at 550. i think we're going to take that out. we have a v-shaped reversal. a lot of momentum. we see projected upside to the 200 day, 8.40, 8.50, a very nice upside. we'd be a big buyer of groupon. j.c. penney, stay away from j.c. penney. the stock has been disappointing investors for over five years. down 87% from the 2007 high around $90. gotten a little bit of a bounce. you want to fade that bounce. don't trade that bounce. >> okay. >> you can sell your shares to steve because you want to buy them, right? >> i'm on the exact other side of this. bill, would i say trying to choose between these t
and fundamental side with steve cortes. good to see you both. one has been a stellar performer and the other not so much. what do you like right now? >> bill, you just summed it up. the news came out over the weekend and the market is telling you what you should believe in. netflix is up 1% and amazon down 3.5%. look at the chart in amazon, you can see it's been showing us this over the last four months. amazon put a high in at 261. about eight days ago tried to take out that high and couldn't do it. it put in a double top. that's a sign of a -- you know, of a failure. you have a stock like amazon who basically -- the stock failed at 261 and now we have a 20-day moving average which it broke through and 209-day moving average, the last time it broke through the 20-day moving average it fell 13%. now we look over at netflix, that's a totally different story, right you? said it was a dog. it bottomed out at $54 and broke above its 20-day moving average and stayed above its 20-day moving average for the last four weeks. if it stays above its $20 moving average we're going to long this. our pric
capital, rick santelli, steve guilfoyle on the floor of the exchange with us as well. let's see. let's start with you, mr. grinch. you sell on any strengths, even now, even if we get a deal? >> well, fundamental analysis is thrown out the window. this obviously is a headline-driven market. any time you're hearing about something that's going to take place, any hint at any type of negotiation, any type of a deal, the markets tend to respond. right now i think the markets are calling their bluff right now. we're not expecting a lot out of what's taking place in washington at this moment. here's a thing, guys. even if there is a deal, it's going to be tough. you'll have a knee jerk reaction. markets should be rallying, might be a great opportunity to sell into strength, because when you look behind the curtain of any deal that's going to happen, it's going to be remarkably bad for the economy. >> austerity on the way. >> absolutely. >> whatever we're looking at. >> talking about spending. the whole conversation has been about tax hikes. i mean, you can't -- you're talking about how many
that. we're asking which has the best stock right now. steve cortez with veracruz, and jim sanderson with detwiler fenton. would you buy that here? >> i think mcdonald's is the better investment of the two. it's had a good run. good day today. i do think investors should be interested. i want to point out a few things. it's very a bad year. there's been a lot of negativity about mcdonald's on the year. but if we pull back and take a longer term view and you look back a decade, you see mcdonald's has been an incredible performer. both outright and in the market. it's done well in go go market and crisis markets. the second point i would make that i think is significant for long-term investors, if you believe in the dogs of the dow approach, those dow components that have done the worst on that year and bet on them to outperform, a reshuffling of the stocks. historically that's been a good strategy i think is for long-term investor prudent. based on that comparison because mcdonald's has so underperformed the dow this year, i believe that in 2013, we will see that rotation of money out
. microsoft systems, especially for pcs, are massively pirated throughout china. in fact, steve ballmer complained earlier this year that as a result of this rampant intellectual property theft microsoft is making less money in china than in the netherlands. >> right. >> i'm not saying that that same fate is going to befall apple but the same danger certainly exists and there's certainly an element of poetic justice here because companies like apple and like microsoft, and all the other outsourcing u.s. companies told us we should dramatically expand business dealings with china even though problems like intellectual property theft were far from being solved. >> you know, max, if apple can't get a deal with china mobile which has 80% of the market, why sell iphone in china at all, especially when we're talking about such rampant piracy itself? >> a good question. speaks to the bigger issue. china mobile wasn't willing to cut the huge kind of subsidy deals that apple relies on with carriers like verizon and at&t and vodafone and the international carriers and, therefore, they are left to
group within the republican caucus as steve said. it really essentially is going to help take this over the cliff unless the speaker acts as speaker of the entire house and not only the leader of his dysfunctional party. >> representative levin, what are we talking about in terms moving the deficit? how much money do you raise with these tax increases? and then i -- i guess the next question, naturally, is where are the spending cuts? >> let me just mention what was discussed apparently between the speaker and the president. about a trillion-two in tax increases and they would come for income over 250,000. most of it income above that and essentially would have raised $1.2 trillion. on the spending side, they discussed cuts of about $1 trillion, for example, $400 billion from health. so the speaker and the president had, i think, some meaningful discussion. i think the president was more than forthcoming. but essentially, the speaker decided to go back to the conference on a very different path, thinking he could pick up a conference that had been radicalized. it failed. >> well, everyb
, $300,000 for couples. that is a concession for the president. and our colleague steve leisman has been also doing reporting on this. he just spoke to me by phone as i was preparing to go on with a source familiar with the talks who noted a wind energy tax credit is preserved as the president eluded to in his remarks. also depreciation for businesses with spending money on new equipment. all of those things arement wills of the tax deal, but until they get the sequester, the budget elements worked out, the deal's not going to be finished. >> now, the deduction phaseout. this is relatively new. any idea at this point which deductions we're talking about and any timetable for them? >> i have to confess, bill, i don't know how exactly that works. these are provisions that were first initiated in the 1990s as a way of getting more revenue from people at the top without raising their rates. so what you do is you take the same deductions that other people can take and you limit their value over a certain income level. this is in addition to something the president's proposed of making the tax
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